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#1 OFFLINE   NVT

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 04:55 PM

Hey guys,

I have a stock standard BF XR6. Want a little more power and performance.

Was thinking along the lines of;

An underdrive Kit. (10-15rwkw Apparently)
F6 CAI/Snorkell system. (??? Not sure of rwkw increase...)

(Hopefully an exhaust system a little later, and a CAPA Flash tune.)

For the underdrive kit and the F6 snorkell to be purchased - about $250 for the underdrives and $80 for the snorkell. That's $330 all up. Can these mods be done by a novice or would I be better off getting a mechanic to fit them?

Are these mods worth doing? Any other cheap suggestions?

(One last question - my uncle said if I were to get the snorkel, that I would most probably have to change the air flow meter and possibly the plenum - is that right? He said a larger diameter air flow hose from the plenum would also be a good bet.)

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 06:21 PM

I'm also interested to find out how many rwkw's a dead stock BF NA XR6 should have? (Wanted to see how man rwkw's it would have before and after mods...)

About 150? 160? All the talk here is about T's so I thought I'd ask about an NA :tonguepoke:

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 06:37 PM

Hey mate,

Ebay is your friend, Contact NOS XR on the forums about the underdrives, I'm pretty sure he is selling them for about $200..

Apparently the F6 Intake and XR6T Snorkel are the best bang for your buck mods to do for a N/A, Followed by a K&N Air filter. I havn't got mine yet, So only time will tell.

Go with the above first, Then start looking at a a new Exhaust, You can go all out by and spend $1,500+ on it, Or you can search around for a XR6T/XR8 Catback System, Which should set you back under $150. Combined with a highflow cat, This should give you a nice note. The System is almost a direct fit, Except for the "Y" Pipe that connects to the outlet of the CAT, It needs to change from the "Y" to one pipe, In order to fit the CAT.

After this you should be looking at underdrives, Pacemaker headers, And finally A custom tune.

As for the stock rwkw's for a BF, I'm not sure... If anybody had the stat for a BF & BA, Please post it up :)

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 07:06 PM

My bro has a BF XR6 and we fitted a XR6T exhaust from the manifold back (we cut the dump pipe and welded it to the manifold) it ended up working a treat as the T CAT is bigger then the N/A's. We got his car dyno'd and it made an impressive 168rwkw, not even tuned yet and still standard intake.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 07:48 AM

Big dollar saving can be had with fitting a second hand Turbo exhaust.

Make your headers 4495 Pacemakers, theres a guy in Vic that sells pacemakers on ebay, if he not running an add for the 4495's email him. I got my old headers from him and saved about $200.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 11:11 AM

I would defiantly start with the exhaust, but when you're looking for one remember you can't change the CAT because of the second o2 sensor, if you do the car will go into limp mode.... however you can have this edited out (along with your warranty).

I went for the Pacemaker 4490 (for the low down torque) and an 2.5 mandrel bent catback system done by XForce. set me back about a $1k all up

then when I got my edit the first dyno result (with only the exhaust) it got 170kw. After the tune and air filter I got 180kw
(a BA N/A (auto) went on the dyno after mine with just a exhaust and air K&N filter and pulled about 165Kw after the edit)

As for you intake just wack the snorkel on there. there is no flow meter...that I know of... the ECU will adapt to the extra air and theres no need to change the plenum.

Exhaust in my opinion should be the first mod.

Edited by RUS531, 13 April 2008 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 11:15 AM

the only other thing I can think of is Cams

silly question....if you put different cams in does that make your engine a open motor (opposed to being unopened)

Edited by RUS531, 13 April 2008 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 04:45 PM

Heres the run down

4495 header will net you anything from 15 to 20 Kw

A performance CAT is a must.

2 1/2 inch exhaust is a must.

Air filters are almost all the same.

Under drive 9 rwkw 12 to 13 Kw at the fly.

Edit with custom Tune will get you 14 to 15 rwkw about 20 at the fly.

Crow cams, bigger job but the stage 2 will get you about another 10 to 15 rwkw after tuning.

Over sive throttle bodies, looks the goods but that's all they do for you.

High stall, will drop .2 off you 1/4 but reduce you dyno numbers (if your into that)

4.11 diff gears will make for a pig at the pump but drop you another .3 to .4 off you 1/4 time.

All this isn't that much, and when its all said and done you'll run in the 13 sec club all day long.

Expect $5000 to do it all, but at the end of the day you'll have a 13 sec car, lower fuel bills than a XR6 turbo and more power than an XR8.

There a number of guy sporting this type of set up on another Ford Forum and they love the challange of building a vehicle that's almost unsupported by most tuners.

Theres more equipment on its way but who knows when it'll get here.

Hope that helps.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 07:38 PM

So a good way to go would be;

Performance CAT
Exhaust system (Do I want a ful system or a cat-back??)
Headers/Extractors (are the 4495's classed as extractors or headers??)
Custom Tune
F6 Snorkel - CAI
Underdrive kit (NOS XR - are you selling any?)

For these mods - how much in $$$ for the parts and labour roughly and how many rwkw roughly?

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 07:55 PM

For these mods - how much in $$$ for the parts and labour roughly and how many rwkw roughly?


For your list there about $3000 to $3250 including fitting.

Underdrive kit (NOS XR - are you selling any?)


take a good look for underdrives on ebay mate.


The high stall and diff would add a bit under $2000 fitted.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 08:02 PM

the only other thing I can think of is Cams

silly question....if you put different cams in does that make your engine a open motor (opposed to being unopened)

Unopened

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 08:23 PM

I've just fitted a custom 3" intake pipe and pod filter behind the headlight.
and a XR6T Exhaust from the cat back, and I must say it runs alot better
and sound better. much more puncher threw out the revss.
but you can tell it needs a good custom tune to get most of all the
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 08:31 PM

I have a complete air box,lower intake and xrt intake snorkel all out of a bf phoon. Their yours for $120 if you want them.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 09:29 PM

ebxample - Is that whats currently in my XR6 PLUS the secondary lower snorkel?
Where are you located mate and how old is it all? Good condition?


Thanks for the responses guys - I really appreciate it :)


I have seen 20% BA underdrives on ebay - Will these fit my BF MKI??? Also looked for those 4495's but there are none at the moment.

And in the exhaust department - do I want a 'secondhand Cat-back turbo' exhaust?

Cheers,

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 07:10 AM

The guy that sells the 4495 never has them listed, I don't know why, you need to email around a bit and find the guys, all I remember is his price was $200 lower than I could get in Sydney and he was from Vic.

The Under drive for the Falcon 6 cyl fit all BA-BF-FG falcons.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 03:37 PM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the help :)

Found an underdrive kit for $215 without a serpentine belt though...Anyone know how much these belts cost?
Hopefully getting a BA Typhoon Exhuast system.
Still searching for the headers.
Hopefully sorted out the snorkel.

Still after a performance cat

Flash tune will come later...

CHEERS EVERYONE!

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:41 PM

any good exhaust shop that sells your headers should sell you a hi flow cat .... but remember you can't change the cat without doing the tune! you'll have to get your tuner to do do the change over so they can edit out the euro4 emmision settings. otherwise you'll get halfway down the road from the exhaust shop and wonder why the engine light is on and your car is acting doughy

Edited by RUS531, 14 April 2008 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:49 PM

Hopefully getting a BA Typhoon Exhuast system.

Dan


The Exhausts for XR6t and the F6 are the same, so make sure you dont pay any extra just because its off a phoon.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:53 PM

any good exhaust shop that sells your headers should sell you a hi flow cat .... but remember you can't change the cat without doing the tune! you'll have to get your tuner to do do the change over so they can edit out the euro4 emmision settings. otherwise you'll get halfway down the road from the exhaust shop and wonder why the engine light is on and your car is acting doughy


Thanks Russ,

If I just change the Exhaust for the moment, I can keep the same cat until I get it changed, right?

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 05:48 PM

yea mate that's all it did and still got great results
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 07:05 PM

ebxample - Is that whats currently in my XR6 PLUS the secondary lower snorkel?
Where are you located mate and how old is it all? Good condition?
Thanks for the responses guys - I really appreciate it :)
I have seen 20% BA underdrives on ebay - Will these fit my BF MKI??? Also looked for those 4495's but there are none at the moment.

And in the exhaust department - do I want a 'secondhand Cat-back turbo' exhaust?

Cheers,

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The bottom half of box is different with the lower intake and the side snorkel off the turbos are bigger than your xr6 one. I am in Frankston,Melbourne.
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:09 PM

will a xr6t C.A.I or exhaust void warranty on a na xr6?

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:35 PM

no it wont.... ford work upon this principle, if your mod breaks something or causes a malfunction then they will not cover it under warranty
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Posted 04 October 2008 - 11:02 PM

not sure if this helps anyone, but ive just got a quote from my local exhaust place ( exhaust innovations in brisbane ) ive got a ba xr6, full exhaust system inc. PH 4490's. 575 fitted, hi flo cat with mandrel bent steel piece attached. and Redback twin outlet 2 1/2 inch cat back exhaust, all fitted for $1490. I was reccomended by brian (owner) to avoid xforce as its cheap and nasty, redback is australian manufactured so you know your getting quallity.

if anyone is in the brisbane area looking for someone to do their exhaust work I highly reccomend him as he did my prelude before I got my xr6, that was a full custom job and the welds were perfect.

so yeh, for a High quallity full exhaust system ( excluding comp headers due to I prefer to keep my bottom end grunt ) $1490 fitted and installed sounding sweet.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 09:22 AM

but remember you can't change the cat without doing the tune! you'll have to get your tuner to do do the change over so they can edit out the euro4 emmision settings. otherwise you'll get halfway down the road from the exhaust shop and wonder why the engine light is on and your car is acting doughy


Ugh....wrong.

Explain why I fitted a 2.5in" high flow cat to my BA Mk1 XR6...and didn't get a tune or anything like that. Never once seen my engine light come on, and it was far from doughy. o2 sensor is located before the cat on the std headers anyways. Hmmm.

As for bang for your buck mods...Get an F6 lower intake, K&N panel filter and an XR6 upper snorkel. Won't really give you any rwkw, but you'll get better throttle response and a nice induction roar. All up...well for me...It was about $150ish. If you wanna go further, build some custom piping from the airbox to the TB.

Exhaust is the next thing. Good set of headers, 2.5in" catback and a high flow cat. Should pick up a few rwkw there.

Underdrives next. Good luck finding someone to put it on though. You need a special harmonic balancer removal tool...escpecially built for the Barra motors. Think it's like $180ish too. You could always use a normal tool and breaker bar to the ground and then crank the motor....not reccommended, but it works. Also, when doing the underdrives, replace the timing case cover seal (I think that's what it is). That's about $40ish.

Umm...BPT thermostat is a good investment. Doesn't open fully until 104 degrees or something, std opens way earlier. They are about $40. Once again, no rwkw increase.

Pretty much after that you're looking at decent coin....$600ish for a flash box, plus custom tunes. Scrape in for under 1g there. Cams and valve springs, once again...600 for cams, 450ish for valve springs, plus the money for another custom tune...Over 1500 there. Then you can look into doing headwork...which I don't think anyone with an N/A BA/BF has really explored....Ummm if you are after high end torque, you can look at the option of a turbo intake plenum, not much rwkw increase for the dollar though....Would be a good $2000 all up for that I'd imagine. You could get a custom twin throttle body setup made....Once again, big money for small gains...Also I hear rumours of a TB spacer being made for the N/A 6's...which should see some good gains. Stall converters, diff gears....LSD....manual conversion....All these things spring to mind. But remember it's not how much power you have, it's how well you get that power to the tarmac.

So in saying all that, there is definatly potential for a 200rwkw + N/A 6...especially with a BF as they had the barra 190 motor...dual knock sensors and dual cam timing. But, you'll need to spend some big coin to get there. But that's the price of being different.

Hope this helps. Cheers

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 01:51 PM

Ugh....wrong.

Partly at least... works fine on a BA, but on a BF (as per the OP) there is a 2nd O2 sensor, hence the warning light, hence inevitable limp home mode. Hmmm.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 08:06 PM

1500 for custom tune? jesus.. bps at cleveland gave me a quote of 1095 including flash box. and they dont use generics so its all custom from them..

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 07:53 PM

sorry for bump mate,

but how did u go with your car ?

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 09:44 PM

Hey anyhsv,

I ended up selling the car to buy a house...They wouldn't even consider us with a car loan...

But that fell through and I have decided to buy a house later. Just bought myself a 2004 XR6T.

Didn't get a chance to mod the NA at all unfortunately...

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 07:08 AM

I've been thinking about getting mine complete N/A tuned. I can't drive a turbo being on the P's here in NSW, but I figure, if I can get as much out of the engine without it being blown, I don't think I'll even go down that road of adding any blowers.
What I'm interested in, is what am I looking at in regards to work... for eg. If I get it stroked out to a 4.8 litre, do I need to take it to Fraud to get the schematics on the engines computers changed, or does the flash tune alter those? And if anyone here can give me an idea on what work I could do to get some nice additions to the output, I'm still learning in regards to mechanical anything... so all I get done will be by the professionals. And a rough idea on what mod costs what? I'm a traineeship boot licker also, so my pay is crap, so its something I either have to save up for a year or more to do, otherwise I can do it in installments, so what could be an option with taking time. I know its expensive to get it dyno'd every month when I get something new...

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 01:18 PM

Guys, I fitted a set of Pacemaker 4490's and the Pacemaker 4490/4495 Cat and pipe that they do, to my 2008 BF Mk II XR6 and after a couple of days the "MIL" lamp came on.

TIP: MAKE SURE the cat and pipe has a fitting to fit the secondary 02 sensor at the back of the cat.

Opp's kind of figured it had something to do with the above as everything was fine until I fitted the above.
I checked the 02 sensors as the BF has a secondary one after the cat and the connections were fine.

So I rang Ford and it was all "Hilly Pilly" the sky's falling in and there is something wrong so you better come in, bla bla.

Well there was nothing wrong. Fuel consumption was the same 12.5 / 100km's , it went like the clappers, well a 14.4sec 1/4 is okay I guess and no limp mode.

So what was wrong? I rang BPT and they said I'll have to get it Flashed. It's to do with the "number" that is stored in the ECU now being different. They will turn off the feedback from the secondary 02 sensor but not the rest of the codes to the MIL lamp.
Fair enough I'm going to get it flashed anyway once I've done all my bolt on's.

So I rang my supplier and he said it's all to do with EURO IV emissions. BF's have a secondary 02 sensor to look at what is happening through the cat. It's basically saying there is something wrong with the cat as it's flowing higher than before. Ie not a lot of difference in flow from the inlet to the out let. Got that bit right!!

Whats the fix?
Simple.
1. Disconnect your battery terminal for a few mins, whack it back on and bobs ya uncle.
2. Pop past and pick up an adaptor that brings the secondary 02 sensor out of the exhaust gas path so that the sensor reads a reduced flow.
3. Get it flashed.
Either one works. With 1 being a temp fix. 2 I haven't tried and as I said once I've done all my bolt ones (only the power pulley to go) then I'll get it flashed.

I've tried to work out under what conditions makes the MIL light come on and I'm 80% sure it's highway cruising. Standing on it makes no difference. Apart from the light coming on and the inconvenience of having to disconnect the battery, no change.

I hope this helps explain the difference why on a BA the MIL light doesn't come on but in the BF it does.

Mike.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 05:54 PM

I'm picking up my 2007 BF MKII XR6 tomorrow :D
I'm planning on doing as much to it as possible.
Starting with the PH4495 and a full exhaust system.
What should I be looking at getting regarding the exhaust?
I don't know much about them...
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 07:36 PM

Nice thread guys. Thx for all the help. Getting my F6 secondary intake for my n/a tomorrow or day after. Can't wait. Not sure where to go from there. :k24t:

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 02:59 PM

hey I got a xr6 na. im looking at all the things use guys had been saying. but im buying a growler cai. I was just wondering when I turbo my car where would I take the car to bring my compression rate down like a xr6t. anyone ??


I love my car heaps :bangcomputer:

as well im going to build up my car so its ready to be turbo. and much more powerful than a stock.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:46 PM

hey guys just wondering what the approx. cost would be for.

F6 intake box + snorkel
PH 4495 extractors and 2.5" mandral bent exhaust (what would be the best brand?)
herrod flash tune?

any other mods would be handy too

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 08:42 PM

Heya Falcon Fan,

The F6 snorkel alone is approx $80. Pacemaker extrators will set you back at least $400. These are a few prices I have seen on ebay.

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 11:35 PM

hey I got a xr6 na. im looking at all the things use guys had been saying. but im buying a growler cai. I was just wondering when I turbo my car where would I take the car to bring my compression rate down like a xr6t. anyone ??


I love my car heaps :banghead:

as well im going to build up my car so its ready to be turbo. and much more powerful than a stock.


Compression ratio isn't that different, you might find that the turbo spools quicker but other than that, I don't see the point in lowering the ratio.

Falcon Fan,

I got my 4495's installed for about $700, this was last year some time. Cat back exhaust was around $450, it's a redback 2.5, sounded just like a xr6 turbo stock. Hi flow cat was about $325 and got a new muffler and twin tips installed for about $115.

If you can find a f6 lower intake snorkel and the other snorkel, as well as the bottom airbox on ebay it's your best bet, otherwise you'll be forking out around $325 from ford new like I did.

Depending on where you're located, you can get gearbox strengthening done on your falcon. I'll be getting mine done soon, costs around $300.

Also, there's the option of cams which will set you back around $1800 to be supplied, installed and tuned in.

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 01:53 PM

Keaton,

You said, "Depending on where you're located, you can get gearbox strengthening done on your falcon. I'll be getting mine done soon, costs around $300. "

Where did you get that pricing for a gearbox strengthen? Most guys have them strengthened when the box lets go and that costs upwards of $2K...

They need to pull the whole box and and pull it apart, installing new bands etc to make it stronger. If you can indeed get it strengthened for $300 I'd love to know who can do it for that price! :beerchug:

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 05:18 PM

hey guys
I picked up an xr8 cat back for cheap and wanted to put it on to see what it sounds like but got quoted like 275 to get it fitted.
how much have other people paid to get theirs fitted.
im thinking of doing it myself by getting a twin tip and using that as the 2 into 1 pipe
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Posted 26 May 2009 - 07:08 PM

They need to pull the whole box and and pull it apart, installing new bands etc to make it stronger. If you can indeed get it strengthened for $300 I'd love to know who can do it for that price! :spoton:

http://www.sureshift...nceproducts.htm

Gives you firmer shifts, for $350 it's not bad. Haven't actually been in a car with it done, but I've heard quite a bit of positive feedback.

Don't beat me if I got it wrong though :dontknow:




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