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Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone has contemplated installing a new BF ZF 6 speed into a BA XR6T presently fitted with a 4 speed auto?

Does anyone on here work for a Ford Dealership that can get me all the parts prices of the required components if sourced new through Ford?

My other option would be to wait and put feelers out to purchase a wrecked BF ZF 6 speed car and source the components that way.

All opinions/thoughts welcome

Cheers

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Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone has contemplated installing a new BF ZF 6 speed into a BA XR6T presently fitted with a 4 speed auto?

Does anyone on here work for a Ford Dealership that can get me all the parts prices of the required components if sourced new through Ford?

My other option would be to wait and put feelers out to purchase a wrecked BF ZF 6 speed car and source the components that way.

All opinions/thoughts welcome

Cheers

Apparently ECU and wiring harness are different also. Good luck with it. Do we know how much power these 6 speeds are capable of yet?

Rob

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Cheaper just to buy a BF. Floorpan needs modification plus ECU, wiring, auro mounts, tailshaft, trans cooler/heater pipes and a compatible BF engine. Not cost effective.

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Hi all,

Just wondered if anyone has contemplated installing a new BF ZF 6 speed into a BA XR6T presently fitted with a 4 speed auto?

Does anyone on here work for a Ford Dealership that can get me all the parts prices of the required components if sourced new through Ford?

My other option would be to wait and put feelers out to purchase a wrecked BF ZF 6 speed car and source the components that way.

All opinions/thoughts welcome

Cheers

Apparently ECU and wiring harness are different also. Good luck with it. Do we know how much power these 6 speeds are capable of yet?

Rob

Hi Rob,

Yes I would require a wiring harness, BF ZF PCM,ZF 6 spped auto box & converter, shifter assembly and console, crossmember as well as tailshaft.

Anyone work for a Ford Dealer on here that can help me?

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Cheaper just to buy a BF. Floorpan needs modification plus ECU, wiring, auro mounts, tailshaft, trans cooler/heater pipes and a compatible BF engine. Not cost effective.

How is the engine different?

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I am sure many people have thought about it, but it would be cheaper to buy a BF and trade in your BA.

The cost of the gearboxes is one thing, but the floorpan and computer is also not compatible.

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Cheaper just to buy a BF. Floorpan needs modification plus ECU, wiring, auro mounts, tailshaft, trans cooler/heater pipes and a compatible BF engine. Not cost effective.

So the transmisson tunnel is larger in the BF ... is that correct?

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Cheaper just to buy a BF. Floorpan needs modification plus ECU, wiring, auro mounts, tailshaft, trans cooler/heater pipes and a compatible BF engine. Not cost effective.

How is the engine different?

It has dual independant VCT, 2 knock sensors, different heater pipes that also double as the trans cooler coolant supply and different cam profiles. It would not be compatible with a BA ECU, plus the wiring loom is about twice the size of the BA one.

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I am sure many people have thought about it, but it would be cheaper to buy a BF and trade in your BA.

The cost of the gearboxes is one thing, but the floorpan and computer is also not compatible.

Trading my BA in on a BF is far from cheap ... say goodbye to $20,000+ :crybaby:

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Cheaper just to buy a BF. Floorpan needs modification plus ECU, wiring, auro mounts, tailshaft, trans cooler/heater pipes and a compatible BF engine. Not cost effective.

So the transmisson tunnel is larger in the BF ... is that correct?

Not sure if its larger or just shaped differently, but it is different to BA, and would need to be modifiied to fit a ZF.

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I am sure many people have thought about it, but it would be cheaper to buy a BF and trade in your BA.

The cost of the gearboxes is one thing, but the floorpan and computer is also not compatible.

Trading my BA in on a BF is far from cheap ... say goodbye to $20,000+ :crybaby:

that's probably not far from what fitting a ZF would cost. The trans is worth around 8k by itself.

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also different mount points for the ZF, stiffened transmission brace and cross members,which although probably un-noticable, does improve chassis stiffness....

ALSO theres a stiffened brace/mount for the diff....

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I am sure many people have thought about it, but it would be cheaper to buy a BF and trade in your BA.

The cost of the gearboxes is one thing, but the floorpan and computer is also not compatible.

Trading my BA in on a BF is far from cheap ... say goodbye to $20,000+ :crybaby:

that's probably not far from what fitting a ZF would cost. The trans is worth around 8k by itself.

So getting a wrecked BF ZF would be the only cost effective way then?

How much more different are the floorpans?

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Gee guys, some people only see LIMITATIONS :blink:

As far as fitting the box, I'm sure it could be done, and I doubt that the mounting points would be that much different, as the manual box would also have to be modified to fit then :blink:

I know the PCM is different, and as far as the engine is concerned, then most of the mods are superficial, so with an Edit it could probably be done.

I agree that the control philosophy is different for the BF, and making a BA a full blown BF is probably not feasible, but amazing things have been done in the past :crybaby:

I wounder how many great inventions would have got off the ground, if the inventor had listened to all the knockers :nono:

My 2c worth

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Gee guys, some people only see LIMITATIONS :blink:

As far as fitting the box, I'm sure it could be done, and I doubt that the mounting points would be that much different, as the manual box would also have to be modified to fit then :blink:

I know the PCM is different, and as far as the engine is concerned, then most of the mods are superficial, so with an Edit it could probably be done.

I agree that the control philosophy is different for the BF, and making a BA a full blown BF is probably not feasible, but amazing things have been done in the past :crybaby:

I wounder how many great inventions would have got off the ground, if the inventor had listened to all the knockers :nono:

My 2c worth

I agree

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Who would wana buy a BA off a guy who put a ZF gearbox in it?! I would rather buy a BF with the ZF gearbox in it there in the first place.

Sorry, I think this is pie-in-the-sky stuff which wouldnt be worth the money thrown at it.

Buy a 2nd hand BF 6spd auto if youre trying to save money... :crybaby:

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Who would wana buy a BA off a guy who put a ZF gearbox in it?!  I would rather buy a BF with the ZF gearbox in it there in the first place.

Sorry, I think this is pie-in-the-sky stuff which wouldnt be worth the money thrown at it.

Buy a 2nd hand BF 6spd auto if youre trying to save money...  :outahere:

I guess it really depends on how much you have spent on your existing car. Resale dollars are very low at the moment. A 2003 purchaser could look at loosing $20 easily to get into a new XR6T. That's life with cars though.

If you are really serious see if you can hire one to see if the difference between transmissions is worth the $.

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Who would wana buy a BA off a guy who put a ZF gearbox in it?!  I would rather buy a BF with the ZF gearbox in it there in the first place.

Sorry, I think this is pie-in-the-sky stuff which wouldnt be worth the money thrown at it.

Buy a 2nd hand BF 6spd auto if youre trying to save money...  :pooh:

I guess it really depends on how much you have spent on your existing car. Resale dollars are very low at the moment. A 2003 purchaser could look at loosing $20 easily to get into a new XR6T. That's life with cars though.

If you are really serious see if you can hire one to see if the difference between transmissions is worth the $.

...or just hire a BF that's the same colour as yours, swap the plates and send yours back! :fool:

Well it's worth a try... :spit:

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Gee guys, some people only see LIMITATIONS :spoton:

As far as fitting the box, I'm sure it could be done, and I doubt that the mounting points would be that much different, as the manual box would also have to be modified to fit then :tease:

I know the PCM is different, and as far as the engine is concerned, then most of the mods are superficial, so with an Edit it could probably be done.

I agree that the control philosophy is different for the BF, and making a BA a full blown BF is probably not feasible, but amazing things have been done in the past :spoton:

I wounder how many great inventions would have got off the ground, if the inventor had listened to all the knockers :nono:

My 2c worth

Not knocking, just being realistic. Why bother spending more than half of what the cars worth on a ZF. Especially when it will probably be more trouble than its worth due to the complexity of the wiring. You have to see the size of the wiring looms to understand the complexity involved, and theres no gaurantee it will work.

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I guarantee someone will do this sooner rather then later.... and it will be an option that many will end up taking down the line.

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Not knocking, just being realistic. Why bother spending more than half of what the cars worth on a ZF. Especially when it will probably be more trouble than its worth due to the complexity of the wiring. You have to see the size of the wiring looms to understand the complexity involved, and theres no gaurantee it will work.

All I am saying is that this may not be a purely economic decision, but a venture that the owner finds challenging :blink:

I'm going to try to convert my Premium ICC with std aircon. to the dual CC version with all the trimmings :msm::pinch:

Easy - NO - Possible - HOPEFULLY :fool:

Couldn't buy this option when I bought my car (it's too old), but I will have some fun trying to convert it.

It's more about the process than the end result :spit:

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why dont you strengten the exisitng auto through the transmission specialists. kewish seems to be on here a lot.

I am sure that it will be a lot better than a st zf box and be a cheaper option

only my opinion of course

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why dont you strengten the exisitng auto through the transmission specialists. kewish seems to be on here a lot.

I am sure that it will be a lot better than a st zf box and be a cheaper option

only my opinion of course

Am guessing that he already has a strengtheed auto

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