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So What Voids The Warranty?

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I just joined this site on behalf of my brother (personally I'm doing up an EF wagon currently EL XR replica and a 265 Hemi powered VJ Valiant - sorry but she still keeps up with a stocko XR6T and it's 30 years older - sorry can't resist having a dig, now back to topic...), anyways he sold me the Valiant and has now purchased an XR6T - it's a 2004 BA Mark 1 with 5 speed manual, and lots of option boxs ticked (leather, wheels, sunroof, premium sound, brake upgrade, alarm, etc.).

Now he's been ringing me (as he's in the Air Force in Queensland and doesn't have full time net access) asking me about mods and to find out. He actually bought the car from a dealer (previous owner traded it in for an FPV - lucky *beep*). And it already has a turbo timer, SS induction and we think, he's yet to be bothered checking, a high flow filter (K&N or what ever brand).

Now he's looking at what mods he can do such as those already done, without effecting his warrenty, currently were thinking fiberglass XR8/GT bonnet, Cappa Flash Tune, upgraded valve springs (as we hear these are often the weakest part of the donk).

Now just wondering what else can be done without loosing the warrenty, obviously the valve springs there unlikely to notice so might be alright, the bonnet shouldn't be an issue either, and we figer the exhaust is a definate no no so that will have to wait, but what about the flash tunes? Surely Ford wouldn't notice this had been done unless the ECU was plugged into there computer and read or something? Is that likely to happen?

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It seems sneezing will void warranty :spoton:

Capa flash will void warranty on driveline. Changing valves springs would surely void engine warranty.

Any modifications from std you risk having warranty claims denied.

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It seems sneezing will void warranty :spoton:

Capa flash will void warranty on driveline. Changing valves springs would surely void engine warranty.

Any modifications from std you risk having warranty claims denied.

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Yeah but only if they know. I mean if you upgrade the valve springs unless the engine or head goes they're not going to find out.

I'm wondering would they find out about the flash tuner, I.e. when the car goes in to them to be serviced or what ever, do they plug there computer in and check the ECU or anything?

As I said he got this one from a dealer and it already has turbo timer, SS Induction and high flow filter fitted and there happy with that. he said he'll go back there monday and have a chat to the bloke and see what he says too...

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I dont think there has been a case of waranty being voided because of a K&N filter/CAI yet (and there are how many T's with these mods?), it is posible that it could void your waranty but highly unlikely.

Valve springs, zaughst and edit are definate no-no's if you want to keep your waranty, some dealers will let them slide if your upfront and some will not but if you blow something that shouldnt break the first thing they will do is check things like valve springs and injectors to see if they are stock.

two options really, mod and hope nothing breaks (most likely something will go pop) and enjoy a truely special car to its most (you play you pay). Option 2 is to leave it stock untill warranty ends and then mod to your hearts content.

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I had nothing but problems with my orignal xr and it was not modded at the time of warranty claims..... either way they will try and screw you.... mods just make it easier for them :stirthepot:

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Fair enough cheers for the replies guys. I'll let you know what the dealer says when he goes and chats to them - as I said earlier though he bought the car from the dealer with the CAI and filter already fitted and the guy said it still had warrenty!

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Ive got a similar question, except I bought the used car with an APS phase II kit already installed. I asked the dealer on several times if everything is still covered by warranty, and he said yes. Was he just telling me lies so I would buy the car? Are they going to void warranty if I make a claim?

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He is probably honouring the warranty on a dealer level.

In saying that if you broke something major that required prior approval from Ford and they came to inspect the car then you would be screwed.

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Ive got a similar question, except I bought the used car with an APS phase II kit already installed. I asked the dealer on several times if everything is still covered by warranty, and he said yes. Was he just telling me lies so I would buy the car? Are they going to void warranty if I make a claim?

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Did you get that in writting???

Whilst the dealer may be honest and honour the warranty any number of things could happen (eg change of ownership etc).

To be honest if you have a bad dealer they will sometimes try to knockback claims even if your car is stock (claim abuse) and "under warranty". the other thing you mightfindd is that the car is no longer under new car warranty but under a 2nd hand car warranty, if that is the case you'll probably have quite a few exceptions to the warranty and it'll only be for 3 or 6 months. (But the dealer can say the car is under warranty)

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Ive got a similar question, except I bought the used car with an APS phase II kit already installed. I asked the dealer on several times if everything is still covered by warranty, and he said yes. Was he just telling me lies so I would buy the car? Are they going to void warranty if I make a claim?

Did you get that in writting???

Whilst the dealer may be honest and honour the warranty any number of things could happen (eg change of ownership etc).

To be honest if you have a bad dealer they will sometimes try to knockback claims even if your car is stock (claim abuse) and "under warranty". the other thing you mightfindd is that the car is no longer under new car warranty but under a 2nd hand car warranty, if that is the case you'll probably have quite a few exceptions to the warranty and it'll only be for 3 or 6 months. (But the dealer can say the car is under warranty)

I also know of dealers that actually do claim it under warranty from ford and still charge the customer and tell them ford knocked it back!!! :spoton:

Chooka

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I didnt get it in writing, but I did get a copy of the email that the sales manager had from the guy who traded the car in saying all the mods it had done to it.

I have to go back this week to get the stereo replaced, Ill try my luck at getting something in writing, but I doubt I will have any luck now they have already sold the car.

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Mate, re the mods; you dont need to do the valve springs. They are fine until other mods are done, usually after the exhaust, chip, fp, injector stage.

Warrenty like mentioned is very much up to the dealer as they ofter let things slide. In the manual im sure it says ford has to prove your mods caused the issue but this is never the case they seem to out right resure warrenty with mods and somtimes they wont even fix the CD player if the engines been modded. Crazy...

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

That may well be the case, BUT ford told me I I fitted an oil cooler it would void the warranty :thumbsup: ... go figure

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

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Because your putting non-genuine parts in your engine.

Ford warranty only covers Ford parts and workmanship.

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

Because your putting non-genuine parts in your engine.

Ford warranty only covers Ford parts and workmanship.

However you can go to any mechanic and they can fit geniune ford parts without voiding your warranty so you put the Ford GT springs in.Even though I doubt if you took it to court ford would have to prove it was an inferior product.

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

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Because your putting non-genuine parts in your engine.

Ford warranty only covers Ford parts and workmanship.

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However you can go to any mechanic and they can fit geniune ford parts without voiding your warranty so you put the Ford GT springs in.Even though I doubt if you took it to court ford would have to prove it was an inferior product.

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No they wouldn't they'd simply say we only warrant Ford workmanship. Anything outside of that and they do not have to warrant.

They can also say things along the line of "This engine was not designed to have GT springs in it, it was designed to have XR6T springs in it" and Ford will be able to get out of warranty as your putting in parts that the engine was "not designed for" They can basically void your warranty if you use any part that are not on their recommended parts list for that make and model.

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I can`t see why changing the valve springs would void warranty so long as done by a qualified mechanic.These valvesprings to not increase the power of the motor only the reliability therefore should have no effect on warranty.

please explain?

Because your putting non-genuine parts in your engine.

Ford warranty only covers Ford parts and workmanship.

However you can go to any mechanic and they can fit geniune ford parts without voiding your warranty so you put the Ford GT springs in.Even though I doubt if you took it to court ford would have to prove it was an inferior product.

No they wouldn't they'd simply say we only warrant Ford workmanship. Anything outside of that and they do not have to warrant.

They can also say things along the line of "This engine was not designed to have GT springs in it, it was designed to have XR6T springs in it" and Ford will be able to get out of warranty as your putting in parts that the engine was "not designed for" They can basically void your warranty if you use any part that are not on their recommended parts list for that make and model.

Aha but precedent has been set by other ford dealers that have infact this.Are they then voiding the customers warranty?

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